Are “DHS Agents” Stockpiling Ammunition for Personal Use?

Jason ChaffetzJason Chaffetz (R-Utah-3rd District) had serious questions for DHS representatives on Thursday. Fox News reports:

Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz said Thursday that the Department of Homeland Security is using roughly 1,000 rounds of ammunition more per person than the U.S. Army, as he and other lawmakers sharply questioned DHS officials on their “massive” bullet buys.

“It is entirely … inexplicable why the Department of Homeland Security needs so much ammunition,” Chaffetz, R-Utah, said at a hearing.

The hearing itself was unusual, as questions about the department’s ammunition purchases until recently had bubbled largely under the radar — on blogs and in the occasional news article. But as the Department of Homeland Security found itself publicly defending the purchases, lawmakers gradually showed more interest in the issue.

Chaffetz’ questions were about waste and accountability. He was able to structure a solid line of questioning based upon the fact that DHS is requiring 1000 more rounds per agent than the United States Army requires for one of its soldiers:

Chaffetz, who chairs one of the House oversight subcommittees holding the hearing Thursday, revealed that the department currently has more than 260 million rounds in stock. He said the department bought more than 103 million rounds in 2012 and used 116 million that same year — among roughly 70,000 agents.

Comparing that with the small-arms purchases procured by the U.S. Army, he said the DHS is churning through between 1,300 and 1,600 rounds per officer, while the U.S. Army goes through roughly 350 rounds per soldier.

He noted that is “roughly 1,000 rounds more per person.”

“Their officers use what seems to be an exorbitant amount of ammunition,” he said.

Source: Fox News

Chaffetz released a video of his participation in the hearing late Thursday. He was able to get a startling admission that ICE agents used less than 100 total rounds of ammunition in the line of duty in 2012.

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Chaffetz also exposed that he is in receipt of  “emails and web postings” from Customs and Border Patrol agents who say that they are getting zero rounds of ammunition for training.

Here is an exact quote from Humberto Medina in response to Chaffetz:

“That is not accurate. What has happened is in recent days there has been a change in the policy. It’s actually not really a change in the policy. The policy permits the issuance of practice rounds,  not training rounds, practice rounds that an individual officer can have and take with them to practice on their own time.”

Unfortunately Medina’s answer was accepted and Chaffetz moved on. Think about what Humberto Medina just revealed.

Practice rounds that DHS agents can take home? What kind of policy is that? If you are looking to curb waste then you may have just found your answer Mr. Chaffetz. Where is the accountability when a DHS agent takes home a box of ammunition or several boxes for “practice?” Who is to say that the agent used the “practice rounds” he or she was issued before asking for more “practice” rounds?

Does an agent have to provide proof that they went to a firing range and discharged these rounds? That is a question that needs to be asked and I hope that by some twist of fate this article is seen by the right pair of eyes who will ask the question.

Maybe it’s not ONLY the DHS that is stockpiling ammunition. Maybe it’s ALSO DHS agents who are stockpiling ammunition for personal use.

Chaffetz goes on to state that over 14 million rounds were used for operational purposes of Customs and Border Patrol agents despite the fact that they rarely fire their guns. He states to Medina that, “It seems like it’s just walking out the door.”

Chaffetz went on to question Dr. Nayak about the 1 Billion plus round ammunition purchase options that DHS has for the next 5 years and was unable to secure a definitive answer.

Up until today I had zero doubt in the stories I had been hearing about the massive DHS ammunition build up. I have seen the documents and I know that the purchases, contracts and open bids are real. I know that the seriousness of the issue goes beyond the sheer volume of ammunition purchases as well. The DHS is ordering “hollow point” bullets and contracting private companies to make targets of women, children and senior citizens. However, today I find myself asking a brand new question which deserves an answer.

What if it is not solely the Department of Homeland Security that is stockpiling ammunition? What if it is also DHS agents who, for all intents and purposes, are stealing from their employer and making off with free ammunition for “personal use?”

This would certainly be a serious issue that would need to be addressed, but it is far less serious than The DHS hording ammunition to use against the American people in a “police state” scenario. I will not discount that possibility either. There is too much evidence to suggest that it is a possibility.

We want nothing but the truth. Maybe “employee theft” is part of the issue.

I’m not sure this truly qualifies as employee theft since the policy that Humberto Medina talks about is DHS supported. Could it be that after all of the talk of massive build ups and the DHS deliberately trying to cause an ammunition shortage that part of the answer lies in just another bad example of government waste? And of unscrupulous employees who have a part in that waste?

Time will tell. Nothing would surprise me at this point but there is a possibility that some morally challenged employees have been taking advantage of DHS policies.

I wonder if one of those guys would sell me a few boxes of Ammo?

Let’s not lose focus. I see this as a development, but it does not explain the “hollow point” bullets that are illegal in international warfare.  I would certainly hope that DHS agents are not allowed to take hollow points home. I am convinced of very little at this point.

But I am convinced that DHS just revealed a serious accountability issue. So far as I know the United States Army doesn’t provide its soldiers with rounds of live ammunition to take home and “practice” with while on leave.

Are these agents required to prove that they are using the ammunition that they take home? The American people deserve an answer to that question.

How much “practice” ammo does The Department of Homeland Security send home with its agents each year?

With all due respect to Representative Chaffetz, it may be time to call in the big guns. If you need to get to the root of a “practice” issue there is only one authority who can be trusted. I think Allen Iverson is the man to handle the next round of questions for The Department of Homeland Security.

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16 Responses to Are “DHS Agents” Stockpiling Ammunition for Personal Use?

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  4. [email protected] says:

    Ammunition is better than cash these days. This policy is ridiculous. They are preparing for war against the American people. These targets they have ordered of men, women and children in casual American attire….. everyone that has ever touched one, shot at one and ordered thier use should be summarily fired. Immedietely. President Obama should have impeachment papers filed for this DHS activity. It is wholly and completely unacceptable. But if war is what they want… the American people will give them one. There gonna need all those armored vehicles they are building.. and they better not step foot out of them either .. they aren’t the only ones that have been preparing for war.

  5. 7delta says:

    “What if it is also DHS agents who, for all intents and purposes, are stealing from their employer and making off with free ammunition for “personal use?”

    Possible. Certainly should be investigated. And exposed.

    The ATF provided the guns to drug cartels, foreign and domestic gangs and south-of-the-border jihadists. Maybe they need some ammo too. Or, maybe, since we’re providing a variety of firepower to Middle eastern thugs, they needed a full package for the smaller arms. Since the rounds procured by DHS were inline with what they would normally use, they were merely the cover vehicle used to “spread the wealth”. Wonder which agency is spreading around mortars?

    Who knows? If Congress, after viewing the fruits of the seeds they’ve sown or allowed to be cast, is not alarmed, then they have become so arrogant and corrupt they have extinguished their own instinct of self-preservation. The very people they are aiding and abetting will kill them, then celebrate the ‘progressivism’ of returning to the Dark Ages. They are in far more danger from their cohorts in crime than they are from the law abiding citizens who simply want them to uphold their oaths to the Constitution with honesty, integrity and well-grounded principles and morals. Instead, they spend their time making hand-puppet shadows on the walls of government and call the people who would defend honest representatives with our lives the villains. It’s a 10-mile radius of mass psychosis.

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  7. Ann Meister says:

    Thanks Dean, this was a very good article, although I must say, all your articles are excellent. I will share it widely.

    DHS is like a cancer, very similar to the United Nations. Their goal seems to be taking over everything. If anyone has seen the flow chart for “obamacare”, DHS is even on that. What do they have to do with our healthcare? Enforce it? I don’t know how it could be accomplished, but this insidious organization needs to be dismantled. If anyone here has not seen the chart and wants to make their head spin, here is a link to it.

    http://kevinbrady.house.gov/uploads/Obamacare%20Chart.pdf

  8. Jason Trammell says:

    Whether this is irresponsibility or a secret stockpile conspiracy gone public or whatever. What it cannot and should not become is a history lesson in the foolishness of indifferent citizens. What is it going to take to rally our country against this corrupt and tyrannical government that we have so far, not even challenged, and certainly not held accountable for any of the clearly TREASONIST acts that they have committed against the people of this nation!?!?!?!?!? SO I ASK YOU AMERICA, WILL WE STAND FOR IT?! I for one can hear the echo from the past……”GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!”

  9. Matt says:

    I can only HOPE that all of this is simply a case of irresponsibility in managing their ammunition accountability.

  10. smallergovnow says:

    I have many DHS friends and I can tell you for a FACT, they get boxes of ammo for personal use at local ranges done on their own time. AND, they do not have to account for it.

  11. alkidya says:

    This is Obama’s Army. He is preparing for Martial Law when SHTF in the US.

    • notoneofthem says:

      I am afraid that you are right. This could be similar to Hitler’s personal army, the gestapo.

  12. SendThisToTheCongressman! TheseAreTheRoutesOfQuestionsToAsk.

    • Dean Garrison says:

      James I already have and expect nothing to come of it.. The problem is that they don’t take people like me seriously. I sent something to Rand Paul’s office and it took a month to get a response which ended up being a form letter, addressing me like I lived in Kentucky. I am not throwing Rand under the bus here because I know he is busy and probably never even saw what I sent. The only way this article makes a difference is if it goes viral which doesn’t often happen with The D.C. Clothesline. I put it out there and hopefully someone will see it. I can’t make anyone read it. I have learned the hard way that it takes some publicity to get results. This DHS ammo purchase is a perfect example. Publications talked about those purchases for months before the legislators batted an eye. Hopefully this article serves as a small spark to ignite something bigger. That’s all I can hope for.

  13. Richard says:

    I don’t know about the Army’s policy, but I’m pretty sure it resembles the Marine Corps policy. After every exercise using ammunition (blanks or live round) we are required to do a line out (empty all pockets and followed by gear checks and pat downs) looking for any round that my have found its way into pockets or gear, whether intentional or not. Taking rounds home or to the barracks is not taken lightly in the Corps.

    • Dean Garrison says:

      Richard, this is the way it should be. I was blown away when I caught that part of the video and could not believe that the congressman didn’t immediately follow up on the answer. This is insane.

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