The strange purchase date and price of Sandy Hook homes

real estate sold signSome of those in the blogosphere who maintain or at the very least suspect that the official story of the Dec. 14, 2012 Sandy Hook massacre isn’t true, have raised the matter of the rather strange sale date and price of the homes of some of the victims. See, for example, this discussion on a Godlike Productions chat forum.

Their hypothesis goes something like this:

If the massacre, wholly or in part, were a contrived conspiracy — for example, a drill (or a drill that went very bad) — then the major participants or “players” in the elaborate charade would have to be paid off in some way or another.

Indeed, a year ago, in February 2013, I had noticed the same thing — that some of the homes of Sandy Hook victims all had an odd sale/purchase date of 12/25/2009, and an equally odd sale/purchase price of $0.

I had found that information on the website of Vision Government Solutions (VGS), a company that calls itself “a leading supplier of land parcel management software technology and services to local government organizations, enabling efficient assessment, billing, collections, mapping, and permitting.” One of the services provided by VGS is an online database of residential properties in nine states in the northeastern and eastern U.S., one of which is the state of Connecticut. If you know the address of a home in, say, Newtown, CT, you can look up the property’s value, present owner(s), and price history on VGS’s database.

At the time, in February of last year, puzzled by those strange 12/25/2009 sale date and $0 sale price of Newtown homes, I had sent this email to VGS:

Date: 02/05/13 01:43 PM

Subject: Feedback from the Newtown, CT page

Hello, While browsing real estate properties using this database, I noticed a number of homes have the same “date of sale” of 12/25/2009, and a “sale price” of 0 (zero). Please be so kind as to explain. How can a home be sold or purchased for $0?

Thank you,

Dr. _____

This was the response I received:

Feb. 5, 2013

Thank you for your inquiry Dr ____. In most instances of a sale price of $0 the reason would be because of a family sale where the house ownership is simply transferred. [In other words, no money actually changed hands.] The other reason for that to happen would be a town entering a parcel into their database for the first time they must puta first owner and a sale price. Often times they will put $0 as a filler price. The sale date of 12/25/2009 would be the same thing.

Kind Regards,

Chase Moltedo
Customer Support Representative
Vision Government Solutions
44 Bearfoot Road
Northboro, MA 01532

In addition to emailing VGS, I had also called the Assessor’s Office at Newtown, CT, and left a voice mail asking the same question about the 12/25/2009 sale date and $0 sale price.

An administrative assistant at the Assessor’s Office, Andrea Santillo, promptly returned my phone call. She said that the Newtown city government recently had switched to a new computer system and had not been able to enter the property data for all Newtown homes. So the computer used the 12/25/2009 and $0 as, respectively, a “filler” default sale date and price.

Ms. Santillo’s explanation seemed plausible, and so I did not pursue the matter any further. But that doesn’t mean I’d forgotten about it.

Flash forward a year. I decided to revisit this matter, and went back to VGS’s database. Lo and behold, the strange sale date and price are still there.

So I undertook a systematic investigation into the properties of every Sandy Hook (SH) victim, as well as those of certain non-victims, such as Gene Rosen, who had a prominent media presence in the days immediately after the massacre. What follows is my report on my findings, beginning with my methodology.


1. From media accounts, I made a list of the names of all SH victims, including:

  • The 20 school children who were killed, as well as the names of their parents.
  • The 6 adults who were killed at SHES.
  • Nancy Lanza, mother of alleged shooter Adam Lanza.

2. To that list, I added 6 more people who are not victims but had played significant roles in the aftermath of the massacre. They are:

  • Gene Rosen, who live next to SHES and gave many TV interviews.
  • Laura and Nick Phelps, parents of unharmed SHES students who gave media interviews and who bear a striking resemblance to professional “crisis actors” Jennifer Greenberg Sexton and Richard Sexton. (See “Remarkable resemblance of Sandy Hook victims and professional crisis actors“)
  • The three members of Newtown’s governing body, the Board of Selectmen: Elin Patricia Llodra, William Rodgers, and James Gaston Sr. (Newtown does not have a mayor.)

3. Using two people search engines, Email Finder and Spokeo, of which I am a paid member, I found the addresses of the people on the list.

4. I then looked up the price history of those addresses on four websites:

  • Vision Government Solutions.
  • Trulia, a real estate website.
  • Zillow, a real estate website. (Neither Trulia nor Zillow gives the names of property owners.)
  • Connecticut Town Clerks Portal, a website of land records — including Newtown’s — which allows only those who have paid a fee to search its records. Interestingly, after I had paid for a 24-hour access to the site, I got this message about Newtown: “The mortgages, liens and probate certificates of the town of Newtown are not available online at this time.” 



1. Brian, 38, & Shannon Engel (parents of child victim Olivia Engel, 6):

   84 Berkshire Rd, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
VGS says Owner of Record: Brian Engel & Shannon Merlino
Ownership history:

  •    Sold to Brian Engel & Shannon Merlino on 12/25/2009 for $0
  •    Sold to Brian Engel & Shannon Merlino on 6/25/2004 for $272,00
  •    Sold to Constance Chimileski on 1/20/2004 for $0

2. Robert Gay, 54, & Michele Hartman, 41 (parents of child victim Josephine Gay, 7):

    10 Nighthawk Lane, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
VGS says Owner of Record: Robert E. Gay & Michelle Hartman
Ownership history:

  • Sold to Stephen & Gail Sonne on 1/16/2013 for $678,500
  • Sold to Robert & Michele Gay on 12/25/2009 for $0
  • Sold to Robert & Michele Gay on 3/7/2006 for $933,000
  • Sold to Elite Builders Group LLC on 10/28/2004 for $300,000

Trulia’s price history on this property: 1/16/2013 $678,500; 3/7/2006 $933,000″.

3. Nicole & Ian Hockley (parents of Dylan Hockley, 6):

Rented 39 Yogananda Street, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
VGS says Owners are Elizabeth and Kenneth Pheasey who bought the house on12/25/2009 for $0.
Trulia’s price history: 4/30/2004 $725,000; 12/11/1998 $403,200; 8/17/1998 $105,500.

4. John Hsu & Donna Arnold, 46 (parents of Madeleine Hsu, 6):
Curiously, Spokeo says both Hsu and Arnold are “single”

    35 Narragansett Trl, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
VGS says Owner of Record: Long-Fong Hsu & Donna Arnold
Ownership history:

  • Sold to Long-Fong Hsu & Donna Arnold on 7/16/2010 for $455,000
  • Sold to Cherie Bragg & Michael Mastriano on 4/7/2009 for $0
  • Sold to Cherie Bragg-Cebry on 6/15/2007 for $628,000
  • Sold to Lawrence T. Card on 3/18/2003 for $487,000

5. Matthew, 41, & Jennifer Hubbard (parents of Catherine Hubbard, 6):

    10 Walker Hill Rd, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
VGS says Owner of Record: Kevin Casey & Priscilla Wright
Ownership history:

  • Sold to Kevin Casey & Priscilla Wright on 7/24/2012 for $365,000
  • Sold to Matthew & Jennifer Hubbard on 12/25/2009 for $0
  • Sold to Matthew & Jennifer Hubbard on 8/1/2005 for $435,000
  • Trulia has only these sale dates: 7/24/2012 $365,000; 8/1/2005 $435,000

6. Stephen, 49, & Rebecca Kowalski (parents of Chase Kowalski, 7):
Note: The Kowalskis had fashioned a very interesting charity poster to memorialize their dead son. See “Illuminati eye symbol in Sandy Hook charity poster“.

    6 Bennetts Bridge Rd, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
VGS says Owner: Stephen Kowalski
Ownership history: Sold to Stephen Kowalski on 12/25/2009 for $0
Trulia has only one sale date: 2/24/1994 $170,500

7. Scarlett Lewis (parent of Jesse Lewis, 6):

    6 Great Ring Road, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
VGS says Owner: Newtown Forest Association Inc
Ownership history: Purchased by Newtown Forest Association Inc. on12/25/2009  for $0.
Trulia has 2 sale dates: 8/17/1998 $260,000; 8/1/1995 $225,000

8. James S. Greene & Nelba Marquez-Greene (parents of Ana Marquez-Greene, 6):

    29 Buttonball Dr, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
VGS says Owner of Record: James S. Greene & Nelba Marquez Greene
Ownership history:

  • Sold to James S. Greene Jr & Nelba Marquez Greene on 8/16/2012 for $0
  • Sold to James S. Greene Jr on 8/3/2012 for $277,000
  • Sold to Deborah A. Makl & David George Makl on 12/25/2009 for $0

Trulia has 2 sale dates: 8/3/2012 $277,000; 9/27/2001 $95,000.

9. Christopher & Lynn Zapf McDonnell (parents of Grace McDonnell, 7):

    4 Bresson Farm Rd, Sandy Hook, CT 06482-1566
VGS says Owner of record: Christopher & Lynn Zapf McDonnell
Ownership history: Sold to Christopher & Lynn Zapf McDonnell on12/25/2009 for $0.
Zillow has one sale date for this property: 3/24/2000 $453,000

10. Anne Marie Murphy, 52:
(Strangely, both Email Finder and Spokeo think Anne Marie Murphy is still alive, age 53)

    37 Great Ring Rd, Sandy Hook, CT 06482-1638
VGS says Owner of Record is Ann Marie Murphy
Ownership history: Sold to Ann Marie Murphy on 12/25/2009 for $0.
Trulia has only 1 sale date: 9/4/1998 $291,000

11. Robbie & Alissa Parker (parents of Emilie Parker, 6):

      13 Country Squire Rd., Sandy Hook, CT 06482
VGS says owner of record: Robert & Alissa Parker
Ownership history:

  • Sold to Robert & Alissa Parker on 4/2/2012 for $359,900
  • Sold to Robert & Linda Spolar on 12/25/2009 for $0

12. Dean A., 42, & Tricia L. Pinto (parents of Jack Pinto, 6):

      4 Cobblers Mill Rd, Sandy Hook, CT 06482-1458
VGS says Owner of Record: Dean A. & Tricia L. Pinto
Ownership history:

  • Sold to Dean & Tricia Pinto on 12/25/2009 for $0
  • Sold to Dean & Tricia Pinto on 7/29/2005 for $607,000
  • Sold to Carl & Gail Coken on 12/11/2003 for $519,000

13. Veronique, 46, & Lenny Pozner (parents of Noah Pozner, 6):
(Curiously, Noah’s dad, Lenny, was not at his son’s open-casket funeral.)

      3 Kale Davis Rd. Sandy Hook, CT 06482-1537
VGS says Owner of Record: Veronique Pozner
Ownership history:

  • Sold to Veronique Pozner on 3/17/2009 for $0
  • Sold to Leonard & Veronique Pozner on 6/20/2005 for $470,000

14. Jeffrey W., 42, & Sandra Previdi (parents of Caroline Previdi, 6):

      44 Grand Pl, Newtown, CT 06470
VGS says Owner of Record: Eugene & Helen Previdi (Jeff’s parents)
Ownership history: Sold to Helen J. & Eugene A. Previdi Jr on 12/25/2009 for $0.
There is no Trulia price history on this property.

15. Jennifer Hensel & Jeremy Richman (parent of Avielle Richman, 6):

      41 Berkshire Rd, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
VGS Ownership history:

  • Sold to Jennifer & Jeremy Richman on 4/21/2011 for $560,000
  • Sold to from MaryJane Wheble on 12/25/2009 for $0

Trulia has 2 sale dates: 4/21/2011 $560,000; 8/19/1999 $360,000

16. Mary Sherlach, 56:

       33 Vintage Rd, Trumbull, CT 06611
VGS says Owner of Record: William D. and Mary J. Sherlach
Ownership history: Sold to William D. & Mary J. Sherlach on 4/30/93 for $0.
Trulia has 1 sale date: 4/30/1993 $307,000.

17. Benjamin, 40, & Cheyenne Wyatt (parents of Allison Wyatt, 6):

      83 Berkshire Rd, Sandy Hook, CT 06482-1427
VGS says Owner of Record: Benjamin & Cheyanne Wyatt
Ownership history:

  • Sold to Benjamin & Cheyanne Wyatt on 12/25/2009 for $0
  • Sold to Benjamin & Cheyanne Wyatt on 7/1/04 for $461,000

Trulia’s price history: sold 6/26/1998 $275,000; sold 12/27/1994 $242,500

18. Nicholas (“Nick”) & Laura Phelps:

       15 Walnut Trl, Sandy Hook, CT 06482-1148
VGS says owner of record: Zhiwen Ma & Weiyan Xia
Ownership history: Sold to Zhiwen Ma & Weiyan Xia on 12/25/09 for $0
Trulia’s price history: 2/5/2002 $337,500; 6/5/2001 $329,000; 8/24/1999 $247,300; 3/26/1999 $40,000

19. Eugene (“Gene”) Rosen:

       22 Riverside Rd, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
VGS says Owner Name: Eugene E. & Marilyn Rosen
Ownership history: Sold to Eugene E. & Marilyn Rosen on 12/25/2009 for $0
Trulia no price history on this property.
Zillow says “historical transaction data is not available for this home.”

20. E. (Elin) Patricia Llodra, 70:

Llodra is the First Selectman and head of Newtown’s 3-member Board of Selectmen who supervise the administration of the town. Like the other two board members (#21 and #22 below), Llodra was elected to a 2-year term (12/1/2011 to 12/1/2013), which means the three were in charge of Newtown at the time of the Sandy Hook massacre. All three were recently reelected to another 2-year term (12/1/2013 to 12/1/2015).

A year ago, when I looked up Ellin P. Llodra on people search engines, her address was listed as 90 Riverside Rd, Sandy Hook, CT 06482.

VGS a year ago and today says Owner of Record: Robert M. & Ellin P. Llodra
Ownership history: Sold to Robert M. & Ellin P. Llodra on 12/25/2009 for $0.
Trulia has no price history on this property.

But when I look up Ellin Llodra on people search today, her address is listed as 3 Primrose St., Newtown, CT 06470, which is the address of the Newtown Municipal Center, and is owned by the Town of Newtown, with a sale date of12/25/2009 and a sale price of $0.

21. William Rodgers (2nd member of Newtown’s Board of Selectmen):

      208 Hattertown Rd, Newtown, CT 06470
VGS says Owners: William & Moira Rodgers
Ownership history: Sold to William & Moira Rodgers on 12/25/2009 for $0
Trulia’s price history: 4/22/1992 $362,000

22. James Gaston Sr. (3rd member of Newtown’s Board of Selectmen):

      18 Main St., Newtown, CT 06470
VGS says Owner: Stephanie A. Gaston
Ownership history: Sold to Stephanie A. Gaston on 12/25/2009 for $0
Trulia’s price history: 10/2/1992 $262,500


1. Joel, 43, & JoAnn Bacon (parents of child victim Charlotte Bacon, 6):

12 Lyrical Ln, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
Owner of Record: Joel Bacon, JoAnn Bacon
Ownership History:

  •     Sold to Joel & JoAnn Bacon on 8/20/2007 for $387,500
  •     Sold to Jeffrey & Lisa Fox on 9/13/2004 for 350,000

2. Mark, 49 & Jacqueline Barden (parents of child victim Daniel Barden, 7):

35 Paugussett Rd, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
Owner: Mark & Jacqueline Barden

  • Sold to Mark & Jacqueline Barden on 10/19/2007 for $450,000
  • Sold to Catherine Austermann on 4/7/2004 for $452,500

3. Dawn L. Hochsprung (aka Dawn A. Lafferty), 48:

Spokeo says Dawn L Hochsprung is “in a relationship” w/ George Hochsprung, 71; lives at 11 Upper Cmns, Woodbury, CT 06798. VGS does not list Woodbury, CT on its online database. Trulia says 11 Upper Commons is a condo that was sold on Sept. 22, 2003 for $136,000.

Email Finder has a George Hochsprung, 71, at 4 Heather Ct, Woodbury, CT 06798. Trulia says 4 Heather Ct is a condo that was sold on Aug. 20, 2012 for $223,500.

4. Mark A., 43, & Cynthia Radley Mattioli, 42 (parents of James Mattioli, 6):

67 Great Ring Rd, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
VGS says Owner of Record: Mark & Cynthia Mattioli
Ownership History: Sold to Mark & Cynthia Mattioli on 8/3/07 for $585,000

4. Richard, 36, & Krista Rekos, 36 (parents of Jessica Rekos, 6):

5 Sweetbriar Ln, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
VGS says Owner of Record: Richard S. and Krista A. Rekos
Ownership history: Sold to Richard & Krista Rekos on 6/23/2010 530,000

5. Lauren Rousseau, 30:

Email Finder has a Lauren Gabrielle Rousseau, age 31
Address: 1 Osborne St, Danbury, CT 06810-5917
VGS says Owner of Record: Teresa B. Rousseau
Ownership history: Sold to Teresa B. Rousseau, age 63, on 6/15/1994 for $0
Trulia has no price history on this property.

6. Victoria Soto, 27:

Email Finder has a Victoria A. Soto, age 29, at 191 Sherman Ave # 1, Meriden, CT 06450-3353; and 126 Spring St, Meriden, CT 06451-5433. Meriden is 32.5mi (35 mins.) to the east of Newtown. SH school is now relocated to Monroe, CT, 6 mi south of Newtown.

7. David & Francine Wheeler (parents of Benjamin Wheeler, 6):

10 Lakeview Terrace, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
VGS says owners are David & Francine Wheeler
Ownership history:

  • Sold to David & Francine Wheeler on 7/27/2007 for $365,000
  • Sold to Michael Bloxam on 1/9/2004 for $162,500

Trulia has 3 sale dates: 1/9/2004 $162,500; 5/1/2000 $145,950; 9/2/1994 $85,000

8. Nancy J. Lanza, 52:

36 Yogananda St, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
VGS says owner is Nancy J. Lanza
Ownership history:

  • Sold to Estate of Nancy J. Lanza on 2/1/2013 for $0
  • Sold to Nancy Lanza on 2/8/2011 for $0

Trulia price history: 7/23/1998 $405,900; 7/30/1997 $99,500


  1. Go to Vision Government Solutions’ website:
  2. Click “Connecticut” on left side of page. This will take you to:
  3. Online Database for the cities of Connecticut:
  4. Scroll down until you see “Newtown.” Click “Newtown”.
  5. This will take you to the Assessors Online Database for Newtown, CT:
  6. Click the box “Enter Online Database”.
  7. You’ll be taken to the “Property Assessment Search / Newtown CT” page:
  8. Type in the number and street name, then click “Search”.


The homes of 15 of the 20 Sandy Hook child victims, 1-2 of the 7 adult victims, and all 6 of the Sandy Hook adult non-victims (the Phelps, Gene Rosen, the three Selectmen) have the mysterious sale date and $0 sale price.

At the very least, that is interesting. The three Selectmen are especially interesting because if the hypothesis is that the massacre was a contrived event, then Newtown’s highest governing body would have to be “in the know.”

Your guess is as good as mine as to what all those strange 12/25/2009 sale dates and $0 sale price mean. I’d appreciate input from readers of this blog who are in the real estate business and can shed some light of what the odd sale date and sale price mean.

For the links to all the posts we’ve done on Sandy Hook, go to our “Sandy Hook Massacre” page.


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187 Responses to The strange purchase date and price of Sandy Hook homes

    • 5WarVeteran says:

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  1. Anthony says:

    I live in newtown…18 flat swamp road. I bought my house in 1999 and it shows 12/25/2009 and $0 for me as well.

    • Maureen crowley says:

      Richard I invite to join SH Hoax group on FB. Closed group with private commenting. Great researching is being done.

  2. RyanD says:

    As a Newtown resident who actually knows some of the people impacted through this terrible tragedy, I find it incredibly sad that so many people dishonor the lives of innocent children lost….by searching for a conspiracy that simply doesn’t exist. If you had seen some of these innocent children playing baseball in your town, or if you knew some of their babysitters, or had attended memorial services and spoken with heartbroken families…..perhaps you would all be more sensitive to those who continue to mourn the loss of dearly loved family members taken for no reason. Sandy Hook was the result of one evil person’s deranged mind. Please consider that not everything is a conspiracy in this world. Sometimes evil just rears it’s ugly head and we should do what we can to support those impacted by it. I hope and pray you all find what you really need to fill the emptiness in your hearts.

  3. dwgibson says:

    If we were to go on the possible faux senario, could the dates indicate a loan payoff date? That would require a new deed with no loan lien attached, therefore no actual sale, just a recording of the new deed, which normally leaves a $0 sale price in most systems I’ve seen.

  4. suzy sellers says:

    I am just revisting my old questions and concerns re: Sandy Hook…
    as the newest questionable event comes to light (another “shooting rampage” by a supposed ‘woman hater’ in a familiar “college town” in California)….???? HOW IS IT… THAT WE SUPRESS INTELLIGENCE SO MUCH… THAT WE CAN -SO EASILY- DECIDE TO BOW OUR HEADS & WALK AS SHEEP!?!?!

    Just an FYI… (in the same manner of your own findings)… I did an address search “way back when” and found much of the same thing… PLUS the fact that Google Earth AND Maps could not even pin point the addresses of MANY of the peeps in question..
    The sale amounts were fishy… And ALL the peeps in question had JUST RECENTLY (SUPPOSEDLY) MOVED TO CT within the previous 6months or fewer… Either from CA, NY,TX or Chicago…
    And NOTE: there was always a “previous owner”for MANY YEARS … Yet… Still, the addresses were unlocatable on Google…????
    HOW IS THAT!?!?

    NEVERMIND the Facebook investigations of “friends”… (including all “previous home owners” named…)
    Being HUGELY involved in Science, ScienceMed, Theatre, Production and the Performing Arts….

    HELLO!?!?! PEOPLE!?!?!?
    ITS TIME TO WAKE UP!?!?!?!!!!!

  5. I do not believe Sandy Hook was wat we were told and have many questions this one is seems closed now. WHY do they hide the truth with seals and gag orders etc.. I looked into this prior to making a you tube post about it being interesting and glad to get an answer. WITH THE HISTORY OF LIES OUR GOV FEEDS US YOU SHOULD ASK THESE QUESTIONS. When some guy comes on tv with a story like Rosen that starts with I heard the gunfire and brushed it off like it was hunters that close to a school firehouse and homes i think there is a problem. Follow up with the odd response of not one or two but all the parents I saw. WTF I cant claim to know what happened but gag orders on the people that bulldosed the shool for life etc… etc… etc.. makes this event realy look like there is more to it than we know at the least

  6. MusicCityDawg says:

    As someone who creates and manages databases for a living, I can tell you that any number of things can cause such an entry. One of course is simply changing the Title on the Deed to add or update a name or an improvement to the property. Some of the entries seem to indicate that. Another possibility would be the county clerk making a mass update of corrected/updated parcel information and entering it all at the same time. Property data frequently has entries of a “sale” at $0 no matter what State or county you look at. I see it all the time here in TN.

    So far you have only tested the sample you are interested in and appear to have a correlated anomaly. But you do not have a control group to compare it to. To verify your findings, you would need to test other properties of people NOT related to the shooting and see if the same anomaly shows up with a similar frequency. If it does, then you have nothing of significance. If however you find the anomalous entry to ONLY be correlated to people directly associated with the shooting, then you have something of interest.

    • dwgibson says:

      Absolutely!! As a former USAF statistician, a random sample of say 5% of the town property would prove or disprove your sample as a significant deviation or not. Plot the numbers on a chart and see.

  7. Anonymous says:

    Interesting connection found based on this information:

    • 5WarVeteran says:


    • joe jOHNSON says:

      your research is worthless. What you “found” is normal and a lot of transfers avoid probate. satanlikeproductions is more like it. Go to All your retardation will come out if your sick mind can absorb the TRUTH.

      • Brett Lockett says:

        As in Robert Riversong?? No thanks. I’ll pass on listening to a self described “Prophet” as he calls himself. Not only that but he is so far left he makes Bill Ayers look moderate.

  8. DidITweetThat says:

    IMAGINE what this world would be like, if EVERYTHING WASN’T A COINCIDENCE… heck you might not even recognize it…. or it would just be another day of the universe expanding, galaxy spinning, earth flying around the sun, sunrise and sunset, weather, natural phenomena and the lives of 8 Billion people interacting.

    Or in the Black & White world….. EVERYTHING IS PLANNED BY THE GOVERNMENT.. the same incompetent government that can’t GET ANYTHING RIGHT, ANY THING DONE and SPENDS LIKE DRUNKEN SAILORS…. oh, but George Soros is probably funding all the false flags.

    Mama always said, Stupid is, as Stupid Does.

    She also said life is like a box of chocolate, filled with razorblades. just trying to get us to take a bite so that we can become addicted to socialized medicine.

  9. Jesse T Mims says:

    The claim that homes in Newtown, CT were sold on Christmas day for zero dollars is a classic example of “garbage in/garbage out.” In other words, the correct criteria was not entered into the proper search engine.

    A list of sale prices and dates sold for homes in Newtown, CT can be be found; but, not on the screen Dr. Eowyn and others making similar claims have posted. Here is how I found the correct information:

    First, I clicked the link given by Dr. Eowyn above for Vision Government Solutions: ( Then, I hovered my pointer arrow over “Taxpayer Information,” clicked “Assessor’s Online database” and hen clicked “Connecticut” on the left side of the screen. The, I scrolled down, clicked “Newtown, CT,” next screen, clicked on “Click Here To enter the Assessor’s Online Database,” next screen, clicked “Sales Search” at the top of that page to find an advanced property search engine on the next screen. Checked “All sales”, changed the dates to before 2009 (I went back to 2000) through today, adjusted the prices to $50000 to $1000000, the land area to 0 to 20 acres (entering “0” is the only way to include less than 1 acre lots), the living area to 1000 to 5000, and checked “residential.” In the last section, I only checked listings like Colonial, ranch, etc. to eliminate businesses, schools, etc., and then clicked “Search.” I got page after page (50 to the page) of listings showing the date sold and the prices. Again, there’s a very wide range of both, with none that I saw being 12/25/2009 or sold for zero dollars. The changes I made were for the purpose of getting info on as many actual homes in Newtown while eliminating info on businesses, schools, hospitals, churches, etc.

    Of course, to find the correct info for individual homes, you have to manually search that list (Hey, I never said the process was easy!)

    But, there IS an easy to debunk the claims without looking for individual address/home info at all… Just go through the process the same as above; but, change the date to “Between 12-24-2009 and 12-26-2009). That will eliminate ALL sales except for any that occurred on Christmas day. As you will find, there are NONE…

    • DidITweetThat says:

      I said something similar over here:

      “Would you believe that EVERY HOME in Sandy Hook CT was paid off?”… ummmm no….

      This video is the theory of GIGO – Garbage In Garbage Out… you’ve made your assumptions, and you’re not trying to prove them WRONG, you’re trying AND DOING A VERY GOOD JOB OF CONVINCING YOURSELF THAT YOU ARE 100% correct. Delusion, I believe is the term.

      BUT, do, go on….

      By the way, you should get to the point sooner, because listening to you babble in your hick voice, doesn’t instill confidence in anything you say.

      OK, Rosen 12/25/2009…. 3 years before the massacre…. paid off…. or SALE PRICE for $0 which would be THE OPPOSITE OF PAID OFF, it would be given away for $0.

      “HI, we’re from the government and we’re here to pay off your mortgage and then in 3 years less 13 days (I’m sure “13” is a clue, who remembers The Last Supper?, What was the name of that sacrificial lamb?) we’re going to come kill your now toddlers… you’re welcome” ~ the Federal Government

      I have access to property records via title search.

      The Rosens had 4 mortgages that show up in my records, since 1989. (I’m guessing the year they purchased it for more than $0) Last one was 2011.

      I do not see any RELEASE OF LIENS or SATISFACTION of MORTGAGES filed, as would be done WHEN A MORTGAGE IS “PAID OFF”.

      IT IS MORE LIKELY that Newtown began a new online system, I’m guessing in 2009. Sometimes programmers use a random date that won’t make sense as a flag… not a false flag, just a marker to say, the information required was before this date, or we’ll come back and fill in the details.

      BUT, do, go on….

      “Not every house, but some houses had paid off mortgages”… ummmmm didn’t you just contradict yourself in your original premise?

      3:40 Vacant Lot – James Short…. 12/25/2009….. WOW!!!! he purchased his own lot from himself for $0…. GENIUS!!!! FU mortgage, I’m buying my house and not paying off my mortgage… HA!!! TAKE THAT BIG BANKS!!!!

      52 Riverside is subdivided both owned by Mr. Shortt. Vacant lot purchased in 1996.(aka PRIOR TO 12/252009). #A Commercial property purchased in 2003 (aka PRIOR TO 12/252009) Actually, probably the year he built the 2400 commercial building on the vacant lot.

      72 Riverside Drive NUTE Purchased 3/26/1999 (aka PRIOR TO 12/252009)

      4:17 “Now this isn’t a glitch in the system folks, I’ve already went through, and I know that there are plenty of properties in the surrounding area that show the sale amount ….

      112 Riverside Road. “even the state is gettin’ in on this, it was TRANSFERRED to them on 12/25/2009″ says you. STATE PROPERTY no year of TRANSFER in the ACTUAL property records, as opposed to the ASSESSOR DATABASE, which ISN’T PROPERTY RECORDS, it’s TAX RECORDS with a specific ONLINE PURPOSE.

      85 Riverside Road… “look at this, here’s a good example for ya”

      “it was purchased for $380 thousand which is way above the appraised value” UM, yeah, Apparaised value is ALWAYS lower, but comparing 2004 purchase price to 2014 Appraised value after the housing bubble burst is ALMOST THE STUPIDEST THING YOU’VE SAID HERE…. the stupid of the VIDEO in it’s entirety wins, outright.

      First off, CT mandates appraised value are 705 of Assessed value. Assessed value is determined by Sale Price and Revaluation every 5 years.

      HERE about 1/2 to 2/3 down you can see 10 year SALE PRICE HISTORY and TAX HISTORY… not a conspiracy.

      Current Zestimate $280,000 Current assessment $174,000 $174K is 70% of $248,571 about the value at the time of last revaluation in 2011.

      Newtown CT values properties based upon 70% of sales price and revaluation. See the LAST 2 lines of PAGE 1 and the FIRST 3 LINES of PAGE 2

      In Newtown, Revaluation is explained in this document

      I’d go on, BUT YOU MUST NOT BE SERIOUS and pulling a prank to see how many crazy people you can get to respond.


      Why don’t you see if you can find the missing Malaysian Air plane. I’m sure you’re results will be just as “fruitful”

      • 5WarVeteran says:

        Stop trying to confuse us with the facts.

      • Jesse T Mims says:

        Good work, DidITweetThat! I’m constantly amazed how many gullible people there are in the world who just keep passing this kind of nonsense around without ever even trying to verify it. Years ago, someone said “There’s a sucker born every minute;” but, judging by how many can be seen on the Internet, the number must be at least double that today…

        • DidITweetThat says:

          The best suckers are made ~ the Right Wing Conspiracy Machine

          If your the type of person that believes EVERYTHING is a CONSPIRACY, maybe it’s you.


        • DidITweetThat says:

          My favorite people are the people who read 1/2 a headline, and are done, because THEY ALREADY KNOW HOW IT ENDS and the POINT BEING MADE…. geniuseseseseses…..

          • Jesse T Mims says:

            Exactly! That is why writers who wish to deceive always tell the biggest lies in the title and early in their article; even though, they often offer opposing facts near the end. They know many people have a short attention span and will never bother to read the entire article.

            Another trick is to write something that is not true and give a “source” for it; but, IF someone clicks the link and thoroughly reads THAT information, they will find the source does not support the claims in the first article.

            Sadly, people like you and I who diligently do their own research are far too rare…

          • 5WarVeteran says:

            Do not forget the value of “9 out of 11 scientists say . . . ” Or “A recent study suggested” Or “We are here to help!”

          • DidITweetThat says:

            Thank you for your “input”

            You may resume your fetal position on the floor.

          • 5WarVeteran says:

            LOL! No fetal position here. Prone with something in my cross hairs. This fucker ain’t scared of nuthin. My simple rule is never let them hear the report.

          • DidITweetThat says:

            I”m sorry, you threaten people by pointing a gun at them, preventing them from getting information and reports… well, your just as bad as the government… oh, wait, 5 wars… you are the gov.

          • DidITweetThat says:

            There is a type of hypnotic induction known as the undeniable truth. 3 or more “truths” are presented.

            Standing at a crowded burial on a sunny day.

            “As we stand her under this sunny sky
            And we see at all the people gathered
            to put JIMMY in the ground

            We can see that he was a respected man”

            (even if everyone gathered hated him and just wanted to see his dead ass put in the ground TO BE SURE he didn’t come back)

            As you can see here, there are ZEROS next to some of these names.
            Names we know because their children were massacred
            And we see the school on the map
            And we see their property records all have the same date of 12/25/2009
            A day that business isn’t transacted (also a great day to use as a NULL value because ANY other person who understood the process would know that that was a great day to use because it meant nothing..

            Ignore the fact that it was CHRISTMAS 2009 and not 11 days AFTER THE MASSACRE on CHRISTMAS 2012.



    • aHEMagain says:

      I know no one is likely to see this so much after the fact, but I can’t believe no one caught this.
      “adjusted the prices to $50000 to $1000000,” and later “with none that I saw 12/25/2009 or sold for zero dollars.”

      Of course you didn’t find any sold for zero dollars, you set your search at $50000 to $1000000.

      Everyone else who claims to be a programmer and it’s common to have a default value, yes that is true. However, you must not have actually read the article, else you would have seen a number of properties that had entirely different dates with a sale price of zero. If a default value is the explanation, what is the explanation for different “default” values.


  10. Jimmy Sebring says:

    Actually, that is not correct. As a programmer, I can undeniably state that it is easy to program a DEFAULT date for a field, that does not depend on the O/S date. Granted, IF you neglect to set a default or the program is not debugged correctly, the program will assume 1 Jan 1980 as a default. But that is lazy programming.

    Ever use Foxpro ? Paradox ? Dbase ? DataEase ? Ingres ?
    Interbase ? I’ve programmed in all of them – some databases still being used after more than 20 years. All have default dates of the install date.

  11. Ken Horst says:

    - Jews Bomb the King David Hotel dressed as Arabs
    – Jews conduct the Levone Affair bombings of American Installations in Cairo to blame Egypt
    – Jews attack the USS Liberty in unmarked jets/boats to blame Egypt
    – Jews attack the US Embassy in Amman, to blame Jordan
    – Jew bomb the Berlin Disco to blame Lybia

    Sept 11 2001 – Jews caught & arrested filming & celebrating WTC prior to & after 1st plane hits WTC.

    Sept 11 2001 – Jews caught with explosives near George Washington Bridge

    Oct 10, 2001 – Two Israelis arrested inside Mexican Congress building with explosives, detonators & guns

    Nov 2, 2001: FBI Fury As Israeli citizens With US Nuke Plans & Valid Israeli Passports Escape custody

    Dec 8 2002 – Jews pretend to be Al Qaeda in Palestine but are caught by the Palestinian Authority

    During the gay marriage proposition in California back in 2008 (Prop 8) a gay Jew friend of mine shaved his head, put on a Christian Cross, wore a black leather jacket and then went and stood with a group of Christians on a street corner that were protesting against Prop 8 and then started throwing up Nazi salutes to make them look bad. I was falling down laughing at the time, until I woke up to 9/11 and the Holocaust Lie a month or two later and realized lying and deceiving is part of their culture/history.

    I could tell you story after story of some Jewish roommates I had that would do the same type of stuff. I was amazed and flabbergasted by this behavior but just laughed it off at the time.

    There are VERY GOOD reasons why Jews have had to be removed from 109 territories throughout history. 109 times!

    • Yes, we know, ONLY Jews commit evil acts – non-Jews are all saints. If you are not a double-digit IQ, neo-Nazi cretin, then you are a Fed posing as one to demonize so-called “conspiracy theorists.”

      • Good fucking god, another logical fallacy to try to diffuse an actually well-thought out comment. Smedley, you did nothing but throw insults. My guess is you’re projecting your own inadequacies onto others. How’s that working out for you?

        • 5warveteran says:

          Well said. I am willing to be that Smedley does not know the difference between a Khazarian Zionist and a common Jew. Common Jews protest Zionist Jews and their crimes quite often. A Hacidic is not a Zionist.

          One can follow God or one can follow the money. Gelt is a sign of teaching children to follow the money.

          Gelt – gold foiled covered chocolate coins given to children on holidays. Get them when they are young because all children want candy and when they grow up it is already inbred to want gold with the same gusto.

          Gold is god.

  12. NO SECRETS says:

    Is Autism Speaks a hate group?

    I decided to do a little more research because Anne Murphy’s obituary mentions “Autism Speaks”. While I was looking I found this article on the examiner titled “Why autistic people don’t like Autism Speaks”
    This is just the tip of the iceberg it appears because there is a lot more resentment towards the group “Autism Speaks” than I would have guessed. Just google “autism speaks hate group”

    In fact, all kinds of people have been posting their comments and some are not so favorable. Here’s one example.

    “We certainly do have an epidemic that has to be stopped and it is Autism Speaks epidemic of hateful propaganda and mass hysteria.”

    Autism Speaks was founded by Bob Wright Vice Chairman of General Electric. Who would have guessed.

    “Before taking the helm of NBC in 1986, Wright was president of GE Financial Services president of Cox Cable Communications before that. Before that, he had a diversified career in general management, marketing, and broadcasting, much of it with GE. As of May 2008 he is serving as the head of Media Mergers and Acquisitions at Thomas Lee Equity.”

    You might recall Peter Lanza worked for GE financial. You may also recall Kevin Murphy. He is the poor fellow who was run over by a train. He also worked for GE Financial. And let’s not forget the GE Muni-Scandal. Here’s the link.

    And there’s lots more where that came from.

    I have to wonder if Anne Murphy was associated with Autism Speaks and why would they promote such an organization in her obituary?

    Then I found this comment on “dcclothesline”

    ” It looks to me like the hate group Autism Speaks paid these people off for some rea

    Here’s some more websites. Check out the dates.

    “Advocacy groups are calling on Autism Speaks benefactors to end their support for the organization in response to a video critics say depicts people with autism”

  13. devnull says:

    you are an idiot. this is the worst case of investigative journalism i haev ever seen. it;s just trash.

    • Hey Devull, are YOU the idiot? ALL the proof sits before you, along with ALL the evidence that PROVES this was a HOAX! The infringement on the 2nd Amendment is obvious, and the criminal murderers in every level of civilian, local police, and government has been revealed for all to see.

      Either you are a co-conspirator to murder, or an awfully dumb individual. Either way, you are an insult to commonsense, personal integrity, and self-honor.

  14. Geb says:

    Real estate agent here. probably just a refinance date, or database change, as you were told. this is nothing to go on, every house in town has that anyway. what’s the deal with the lottery winners though?

  15. Individual says:

    You should do more data search on other non related homes in the same area and them determine if this is a data fill in or a cover up.

    You must always swing a door both ways to understand how the hing works!

  16. Eric says:

    Good start to your experiment but you need a “control group” – pick a bunch of random homes in those neighborhoods and research them, too. If they have the same bad data, it has nothing to do with SHE’S.

  17. Sammy says:

    Luckily Republican Representative Mike Lair, with a 90% Conservative ranking , has the answer to many of the theories posted here

  18. milidude says:

    The missle pattern you refer to was actually a tank of ammonium nitrate which went supercritcal and then detonated. the evidence we saw during recovery efforts was that some type of tanker
    car(propane/methane) was brought in on the trunk line into the yard right next to the large tank of nitrate. multiple eyewitnesses saw a flame shooting from this tank car about a half hour before
    the detonation event. for the uninformed about anfo bombs- this is exactly how you build an anfo bomb, large quantity of ammonium nitrate, lots of heat/fire, a fuel source as in this case it was a tanker car of some type of liquified petroleum gas, and then a detonator= huge bomb.

    I live 27 miles from the epicenter and the explosion shook my house like a medium earthquake(it was reported as a 3.6 by usgs). we have them around the area from at times but this one was followed by a very sharp sonic shock wave(detonation wave).

    so imo based upon atf/fbi being there a day before the event(same as 911wtc, same as alfred p. murrah building as well as sandyhoax-hook), this was deliberate action to blow up the plant. we can get into the details as to why if you like in following comments.

    this can also be verified- mjtf region 6(google it) was having a training scenario where the comanche peak nuclear power plant was attacked and a bomb detonated at the exact time of the fertilizer plant explosion. there is proof that the plant owner was paid off by the govt/told not to open that day as to allow the atf and their goons to plant and set up the anfo bomb.

  19. David says:

    If the recorded data needed to be scrubbed to stymie investigations into allegations of contrivance surrounding the Sandy Hook event, leaving the fields blank would be too obvious, and so ‘default’ data replaced it so as to give plausible deniability. If indeed official records have been scrubbed, then it belies the inside preparation, or CYA which would surmise that people might very well do their own sleuthing to find answers. The sense I get intuitively as I read through this information is that there is a hidden connection between all these people that goes beyond their association as ‘parents’ of Sandy Hook ‘students’. Part of what leads into this is a report quite a while ago which alleged that Sandy Hook was a closed facility when the event went down. This is supported by news raw video taken from a helicopter showing the parking lot in front of the school after ‘reports’ of the shooting were issued. There was one (1) fire truck, and most of the spaces filled with what looked like government motorpool issue vehicles. Also shown were individuals walking about who did not behave as though there was an emergency situation. It was surreal, and supports the claim that Sandy Hook was a closed facility, meaning, there were no classes in progress on that day- thus no real shootings; the appearance had ‘drill’ all over it. Now, back to the hidden connection. Saying this, leads you to think something beyond PTA membership? Possibly. But what about Illuminati insider reports about how they live among us, posing as regular families but with some highly irregular activities including attendance at secret meetings and exercises held in the middle of the night that they never talk about to neighbors. What if all these people whom we think are just Sandy Hook parents are really subjects of trauma based mind control, who are playing a part, who are don’t necessarily have to be married, or be parents at all? And as to the ownership of the houses…if these were Illuminati safe houses, the behind scenes owners would not be the people who used them posing as residents, nor would the plats record who the real owners were if that needed to be kept classified. I know, before I wrote this I considered how utterly bizarre this would sound to other people reading it. But given the bizarre behavior we saw in the aftermath of the supposed Sandy Hook massacre, can you really put it past them?

    • Diane says:

      I don’t think it is bizarre at all. Having known of the Illuminati for several years, I believe that they are behind a lot of what is going on.

    • Sammy says:

      ” I considered how utterly bizarre this would sound to other people reading it ”

      Bingo !
      But you are looking at ‘bizarre’ way in the rear view mirror

    • wontbefooled says:

      Bizarre? Are you kidding? Just think of how “bizarre” a breakaway society will get when left with decades, possibly centuries, at their disposal and they MAKE the money, they ARE the government, they ARE the college curriculum. These fucker have been playing with MKUltra shit for a long, long, time. “MIND CONTROL” is their favorite subject. Force is antiquated. They truly get off seeing if they can spend billions in research to see how they can make the fly WANT to go into the spider’s web OF HIS?HER OWN VOLITION!!! This is what all this shit is about; 911, OK City, SH, Boston, Aurora, VTech, etc. Then, when you look at the statistics of how many “family values”, “Christian zealot”, “conservative” leaders are caught as gay, pedophilic, drug addicted nut cases, you start to see who’s behind all of this. It is true megalomaniacal sociopathy. Terms like “hubris” and “narcissism” fall short. These fuckers are playing god with incredible data-sets they’ve been working on forever with unlimited budgets.

  20. 1776blues says:

    God Like Productions as a source? Hmm, they have long been a suspected CIA front. And for Jim Fetzer at Veterans Today to link to this story gives credence to the claim that VT and Gordon Duff are CIA as well. In fact Gordon Duff has admitted that 30 or 40 percent of what he writes are lies.

  21. Eleice says:

    I work for a survey company and we do a lot of research on property from plats to deeds. Here is my 2 cents. From what I have personally seen any time a county or city goes through a software changes if things do not convert over automatically, keep in mind this goes along with software compatibility, someone has to manually enter the data in. I have come across countless property records that have incorrect information accessed via online, but if you physically go down to where property records are kept and look each property up, usually property cards, there you can find the information. I am sorry but until someone physically can show copies of the actual property cards this is all just a theory based on one if not several databases. Online databases are only as good as the person who is entering the information. My information and my knowledge comes from first hand experience, so like I said produce copies of the actual property cards and then you can carry on about this or that.

    • David says:

      I agree with this Elice. I am a Professional Land Surveyor and I also do a lot of land record research. You received an explanation from the company who produced these online records and I believe their story. It sounds plausible that the first time a property is entered into a new system that a default date and price would be given until such time as the actual records are entered.
      don’t get me wrong, there are a lot of things that are fishy about the new telling afair. But as Eleice has stated the physical re ord books at the Recorder of Deeds office will give you the true chain of title. in fact if you are curious you can call there and sometimes there are freelance title searchers who will perform a title search for a small fee. It certainly is worth investigating just to clear up any misconceptions.
      Good Luck!

      • Aware says:

        As someone who has knowledge of the software, I disagree. Christmas day is never a default date. The VGS explanation is contrary to industry standards.

  22. Laura says:

    I live in Newtown and work in the school system. Enough with the relentless theories. They are dead. An unbalanced individual with irresponsible parents killed them. As for the purchase dates and prices in our assessor’s database – my house, purchased in 2005, has a dual purchase dates and prices listed – the correct one in 2005 and one for $0 dated 12/25/09. Our database was updated around that time, and that entry appears on every property on our street (I checked), if not the whole town due to the update.

  23. marytormey says:

    The other dates are significant too.
    December 25, 2009
    Nancy J. Lanza, 52:

    36 Yogananda St, Sandy Hook, CT 06482
    VGS says owner is Nancy J. Lanza
    Ownership history:

    Sold to Estate of Nancy J. Lanza on 2/1/2013 for $0
    Sold to Nancy Lanza on 2/8/2011 for $0…/1365824520…/pressrelease.pdf

    Sold to Veronique Pozner on 3/17/2009 for $0
    It looks to me like the hate group Autism Speaks paid these people off for some reason.

  24. Jason says:

    5WarVeteran – thanks for your service but I think it might have affected your brain. You are telling people to get perspective, and you have none at all. You are coming out of space with your nutjob theories. I am myself naturally skeptical but this conspiracy theory makes the birthers good . . . well, nobody can make them look sane. TWA 800 is a conspiracy, but this is just a bunch of bs made up by a bunch of Fox News Loons! Like the study said, Fox News viewers are less informed than people that don’t watch any news! You might want to lay off Fox for awhile and see what it is like to think for yourself!

    • 5WarVeteran says:

      Jason I do not watch FOX nor do I waste my time with television. I do the actual research. Come on now provide some support for your claims. At least one real link.

    • Erin says:

      And what study is this?

      • Sammy says:

        From the right of center Forbes article about FDU poll

        “Results showed that viewers of Sunday morning news shows were the most informed about current events, while Fox News viewers were the least informed. In fact, FDU poll results showed they were even less informed than those who say they don’t watch any news at all.”

        • JC says:

          Ludicrous. That poll means nothing unless we know the sample, methodology, questions, how each sample group was polled, etc. If I sample Fox viewers from NYC and quiz them on Seattle politics, they’ll fail. If the rest of my sample is from Seattle, the Fox NYC group will look even worse. Academic polls are great at achieving the end result you set out to achieve.

          • 5WarVeteran says:

            “Ludicrous. That poll means nothing unless we know the sample, methodology, questions, how each sample group was polled, etc. If I sample Fox viewers from NYC and quiz them on Seattle politics, they’ll fail. If the rest of my sample is from Seattle, the Fox NYC group will look even worse. Academic polls are great at achieving the end result you set out to achieve.”


            Precisely! Polls and the like can easily statistically be twisted to find anything they wish to.

            If you want to find or support something bad enough you will find a way.
            Except for maybe Sasquatch? Elusive bastard isn’t he? LOL!

          • Sammy says:

            Erin asked “what study?” I supplied that information. I made no claims for/against the validity of the survey or study I suggest that you read the original study and make your your analysis from that Otherwise you are making assumptions and hypotheses without any evidence . Your ‘ifs’ are just ‘ifs’ until you can validate them

          • JC says:

            Not only did I read the FDU POLL, not “study” POLL, VERY big difference, but I went one step further and researched the methodology and questions which FDU make available if you know where to look.

            A quick Google reveals that they were able to script questions with a predisposed bias to FNC viewers, so nobody indicating FNC as a preference would have come out of that one looking good.

            And it went further. They were disingenuous in saying that the viewers were FNC general viewers. They used respondents that indicated viewership of select FNC news and opinion shows, and compared to those indicating they watched only hard news. Big difference between O’Reilly and the Nightly News. Not good, not bad, just different. News and opinion broadcasts don’t follow the same editorial guidelines, so the content will be different. It was an apples to oranges comparison, with the questions unique to an apple orchard, designed to make the apples look better.

            Instead of defending weak positions, do a little research.

          • Sammy says:

            5warveteran. “If you want to find or support something bad enough you will find a way.” Are you referring to the original ‘article’ that started this thread ?

          • 5WarVeteran says:

            It was in reference to JC’s comment regarding Polls. Polls, studies and the like are all easily manipulable. A perfect example is Mark Dice doing polls and petitions in COWlifornia. He polls passers by on subjects like Genocide of the elderly and drinking bottled Fukashima water.

            You know those people who believe that the Sears Tower In New Jersey attacked by Bin Laden and the Decepticons on 9/11 should be rebuilt.





            You can find them anywhere and like “The People of Walmart” are an example of “good” American breeding.

          • Sammy says:

            Jc “if you know where to look” ??? You mean you were able to click the link that was at the end of the Forbes article ?
            ” See: Some News Leaves People Knowing Less–Farleigh Dickinson University, poll results and methodology “

          • Sammy says:

            ” they were able to script questions with a predisposed bias to FNC viewers, so nobody indicating FNC as a preference would have come out of that one looking good.”

            That is an assertion of yours
            Where are the examples from the poll/study that shows this is true ? Quotes with page/paragraph reference
            “They used respondents that indicated viewership of select FNC news and opinion shows, and compared to those indicating they watched only hard news.”
            Again Where are the examples from the poll/study that shows this is true ? Quotes with page/paragraph reference And since they did compare FNC with MSNBC AND CNN are you saying the FNC is opinion whereas MSNBC AND CNN are hard news ???

            “Instead of defending weak positions, do a little research.”
            Again I’m not defending nor attacking the FDU study but you are . And so far you having making assertions about how and why the study is flawed without providing specific evidence to support it

            But what would be better is if you found several respected experts in the area of statistically based opinion surveys who can show that the FDU poll/study is fundamentally flawed

          • JC says:

            Dude, do you have a job or life? Who the hell has time? A first year SA student can see the poll is flawed.

            We’re digressing. There is no conspiracy. Sandy Hook happened. The 12/25/09 was a software glitch on a non official irrelevant site.

            Have a drink. You’ll feel better.

          • Sammy says:

            “Polls, studies and the like are all easily manipulable.”
            They MIGHT be true but since JC is asserting that this particular study IS flawed That hypothesis has yet to be proved

          • Sammy says:

            Jc. Well to back up MY statement that FNC was compared to CNN and NBC see the charts and tables on page 3,4,and 5.

          • Sammy says:

            ” We’re digressing. There is no conspiracy. Sandy Hook happened. The 12/25/09 was a software glitch on a non official irrelevant site.”

            You took the words right out of my mouth
            There was no conspiracy

        • JC says:

          The poll is also flawed because it asked selective questions designed to illicit a predetermined response.

          The poll is inherently corrupted if a Google of Fox News content would indicate that topic not on Fox. In other words, pick a bunch of topics, see which Fox ran the least coverage on, then use those as your poll questions. Then you’re guaranteed the result you want. FNC viewers are “less informed.”

          But wait, run the same poll using questions representative of Fox News content not run on NPR or the NYTimes, and guess what? The NPR, NYTimes favoring respondents will be the least informed.

          Unless the questions were selected blindly and randomly, which admittedly they were not, the entire poll is corrupted and useless.

          • Sammy says:

            “The poll is also flawed because it asked selective questions designed to illicit a predetermined response.” IS flawed ? So what were these skewed questions ? How do you know that the poll was indeed flawed? Specifics on methodology,sample size,etc are required. The questions cannot be selected blindly They cannot ask questions about the latest cooking shows if the intent is to assess knowledge of current events. As long as the questions are representative of the area ‘current events’ and that the samples ( ie the viewer responses) are selected randomly then with the correct statiscal analysis the results will be ‘true’ within a certain confidence. So once again if you want to say that the survey was flawed , you need to provide your evidence to prove your case. The burden of proof is on the individual making the assertion. This is the accepted practice in science,medicine,debate,…

          • Sammy says:

            From my VERY quick reading of the survey ,the questions asked seemed to be something that all the news sources Fox,NPR,,NYT, …USA TODAY, …etc would have covered frequently

        • C V says:

          “The kicker is that MSNBC didn’t do all that much better. In one question, some 11% of MSNBC viewers actually believed that Occupy Wall Street protesters were Republicans compared to just 3% of Fox viewers” Sounds like this poll was not very well designed. Did they find out how often and for how long these viewers watched the news? Was a Fox news viewer anyone who watched 5 minutes of news a week? This study is pure trash as is the University it came from. It’s a hangout for rich kids and not much else from my experience.

    • C V says:

      Jason – Just like numerous other liberals I’ve encountered, you spout supposed facts without a shred of evidence. These facts of yours are created and reported to you by a propaganda machine that has you in its clutches. You need to break free and look at all reports with skepticism as to its source and the message that is being pushed. Didn’t you learn to do this in school?

      • Sammy says:

        ” Sounds like this poll was not very well designed. … This study is pure trash as is the University it came from. ”

        Can you support your position with evidence ?
        You can start with provide answers to the questions I posed to JC

    • kellirc says:

      Jason maybe you should watch Fox news instead of spewing ridiculous lies put out by paid commenters and Obama money bundlers. Fox news is actually the balanced news and all of the others are leftist propaganda machines.

      • 5WarVeteran says:

        I do not know if I would go that far as to say FOX is fair or balanced. They do give more information but they may just be the “token” of the News Agencies like Ron and Rand Paul are the “tokens” of the political world.
        They are allowed to give distraction and “hope” but nothing will ever come from it.

    • Walter says:

      Jason, ‘nutjob’? ‘birthers’? ‘TWA 800 is a conspiracy’? ‘Fox news viewers are less informed’? My first impression is that Jason is from a three letter agency, putting in disinformation. The communist manifesto methods of name calling and deviating from the theme, are outlined in red. I am not sure that a response is worth the typing. If Jason is real, and this is really his opinion, then he is a blind believer and he is so emotionally involved that he is in denial of basic truths. In our belief that our constitution will save us, we have allowed the communist to enter in to our govt, and we in turn do nothing. We need to move to a LOTTERY for elected leaders, Selection day. For then this type of situation will not occur. Partisan ship is bad for any country, it only allows for high school mentality of my team versus your team. We are all on the same team. The liberal progressive movement is a pure and simple communist take over, and if you cannot see this, then you are a blind believer and you drank the kool aid, it is more than obvious. These situations of setting up illegal uses of fire arms, with the emotional killing of individuals, is just that, these are set up scenarios, the PTB, seek out people that have the mental capacity to do these deeds, then they assist them behind the scenes, and get them to do the dirty deeds and of course then they kill the perpetrator and blame it all on them.
      I am still trying to figure out, how anyone in their right mind can associate an illegal act with firearms with law abiding citizens with fire arms. There is no connection at all, yet the communists create this illusion for those that drank the kool aid that illegal uses of firearms are related to law abiding citizens with fire arms. It is a typical communist manifesto right out of the book methodology for those with sub intellect to associate any illegal use of a firearm as a reason to blame the second amendment and law abiding citizens that own firearms.
      It is the method for removing fire arms from law abiding citizens so that the communists can start murdering any that do not follow their rules.

      Read history about Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Turkey, and so many more. I know that the blind believers, like Jason, are offended to have to read, I am still trying to understand more. But, Jason for your it is important.
      1. Lenin said, Let the socialists be, they are useful idiots for we communists.
      2. Stalin when asked why he murdered all of the socialists that supported him during the change (just like obama and today), Stalin answered, How can anyone trust any one that would try to take over their own country.

      3. Pol Pot, went into the cities in Cambodia, the people cheered him. He told the people that he believed that CIA spys were there and all the people should go to the park out side town, and they they can return home after the city is checked, in a few hours, of course, those people never returned home.

      So, people like Jason, after they helped Stalin and many of the others, were shot because the communists that took over felt that they could not trust them

      • 5WarVeteran says:

        Nicely put, I did not want to go too often naming Trolls, trolls but when the shoe fits.
        I have always wondered how anyone with a clue could consider taking away weapons from law abiding citizens would remotely think criminals would turn in their weapons as well?

        Criminals lie, they do not care about laws. They live from one day and one poor decision to the next. Or they use the law to commit crimes that only the educated can understand.

        When a person lies to me once, that is their mistake. When they lie to me three times it becomes my mistake.

        I have a list of Obama lies surpassing 500 and growing. The sad thing, our Congressional representatives also have that same list. Yet they do nothing. Why? Is it because he has them by the balls? Or is it that they have been bought by the same overlords of wealth? Complicit in crimes against America. Also called TREASON.

        Should I expect Obama or our “representatives” to stop lying any time soon?

        I just pray that those who support these crimes at ANY level get their just due because they have sold their American souls for a buck a benefit or bullshit.

    • It has been a while but I studied that poll when it was released. JC is correct. It was designed to produce a desired result. Many of the questions were related to in depth reports recently aired on NPR, and the majority of the stories were regarding other countries. If the majority of the questions had been on reports recently done on FNC, especially US news, the NPR crowd would have been totally lost.

      • Anonymous says:

        I think his point, and forgive me if I’m wrong, is that the relevant news in today’s world is not being covered by FNC. Recently aired reports on NPR are relevant, and thus, their viewers are more informed.

  25. anon4 says:

    Who would be working on Christmas to be doing remedial paperwork and data entry? Wouldn’t real estate offices be closed?

  26. Sammy says:

    Jc are you sure there was no conspiracy ? There just MUST be a conspiracy ( why doesn’t someone design a ‘sarcasm’ emoticon ? ) Because if there was no conspiracy then what would the theorists do ? Certainly not apply Occam’s razor ! :)

    • Ken Wagner says:

      Another dumbed down sucker makes another factless comment.

      Tell me bonehead, Why did DR Carver say “I hope this doesn’t come crashing down on the heads of the people of Newtown” in his post Hoax press conference?

  27. Eric Taylor says:

    A little information to help decode this further. For those who don’t know or understand real estate transactions, a $0 sale generally mean that the house was purchased originally with a mortgage and that $0 sale indicates that the mortgage is paid off and the house is transferred into the homeowners name without a bank attachment.
    What this means is that all these houses were paid off and transferred on the same date, oddly enough Christmas.

  28. JC says:

    Former law enforcement and a data biz guy here. I debunked this easily. Here goes…

    OK, now bear with me. I’m going to walk through why this is all incorrect and provide links.

    First of all, there is no such town as “Sandy Hook, CT.” The town is Newtown, CT. So that’s the first flaw in the argument of the conspiracy theorists.

    Second, Vision Govt. Services is simply a vendor. If they implement and nobody updates, they will probably have a default field. In this case, the database field for sale date was 12/25/09. It could have been any value. Could have said Santa Claus, could have said 54321. Some developer must have entered 12/25/09 for whatever reason. But the price field was coded properly, hence the value of $0 since there was in fact no sale.

    But, that’s all irrelevant. They’re a vendor, not the actual govt. entity. Using only their search interface will give you the conspiracy you seek.

    Let’s use Brian Engel. What you ignore is that on Vision Govt. Services search, he’s still listed as the owner when the property changed hands on 12/20/09 for $0. He’s still the owner. In other words, nothing changed hands. He bought the house in 2004. He’s still the owner today.

    What does that tell us? It tells us the software updated and a field was entered that shouldn’t have been. The house was never transferred. Nothing ever actually happened on 12/25/09 except software updated, and a default value populated. Standard database glitch, but then the conspiracy nuts got hold of it and ran.

    However, if you go to the actual portal for CT Town Clerks and Governments, and run the same addresses, you will see that all of those properties are still owned by the folks who have always owned them (a few sold at different times. Nothing odd there at all). No 12/25/09 sale dates.

    No conspiracy here folks. Just a third party software vendor with sloppy developers and a poor QA process.

    Lastly, Vision Government Services isn’t even the actual software vendor for Newtown, CT. It appears they built that portal to try to win the business. The actual vendor is Cott Systems, and they have proper info on their interfaces. No 12/25/09 sale dates for any properties.

    You can easily compare the info from Vision to the info on the Town Clerk’s actual sites, and will see that only Vision Govt. Services has the 12/25/09 date. Just a database glitch folks. Nothing to see here.

    • theegglestongroup says:

      Its interesting how your very well documented ‘debunking’ is being pretty much ignored here in favor of everything from conspiracy to the Devil.

      I’m waiting for Grey Aliens to get the blame any minute. I forget … which ones are the bad guys, the Grey Aliens or the Blue ones?

      Jus’ wonderin’

      • Sammy says:

        Don’t forget the Reptilian Archons!!! SMH

        • theegglestongroup says:

          OMG I completely forgot about those sneaky reptilians, they look so much like the Grays.
          That could have been a fatal mistake. I hear they are some mean SOBs.

          I’m not going to be in too much danger though. I have an Uncle who is a Mason, and I hear that they all know each other personally. He’d never let them give me an Alien Colonoscopy.

          BTW, has anybody discovered why the Aliens are so interested in looking up Bubba’s Butt? What are they hoping to find?

          • 5WarVeteran says:

            They harvest human farts because they are 10,000% more powerful than cow farts, they need them for a political scam called “Planet Warming” on their home world where they spray them across the countryside from airplane looking space ships. The whole human body cavity check for terrorism was spawned off by the damned Grays because our the human system is trying to understand the importance of the Gray’s needing to do so many probes.
            Oh and I heard that from a US government scientific study, it was a secondary “and for other reasons” attachment to a US Bill passed through congress as an attachment rider to a $1.3 billion dollar research grant to study the mating habits of the rare endangered South Louisianan Speckled Humming Snail Darter that can only be found living near the Corexit filled waters of BO oil rigs.

            Now I am waiting for the response of “Really!”

          • Sammy says:

            theegglestongroup. I believe the topic of ET anal exams was answered conclusively in the movie ‘Paul’ ;)

    • American says:

      Except for all the homes are paid off now, thats what all that mean…your debunked…

    • Steve Sanders says:

      JC, for a former law enforcement guy, your research is pretty questionable if your first point is an easily proven lie. Sandy Hook is indeed a village within the township of Newtown. it was founded in the 1700s.,_Connecticut

      • JC says:

        Irrelevant. Sandy Hook is NOT the official address or agent of property records. The records are kept by the Town of Newtown’s Clerk, not the village of Sandy Hook. So I stand by my original point.

        And my facts are irrefutable and absolute. So now you’re attempt to debunk me is debunked. Keep on believing that this is the work of Nessie and Lucifer. Do you have enough tinfoil for your new hat?

    • Aware says:

      JC, your contentions would be more convincing if your links were to a specific property, instead of some home page. If you subscribed, then at least post the actual data, which someone else with spending money can validate. Here’s what I disagree with: You wrote “In this case, the database field for sale date was 12/25/09. It could have been any value. Could have said Santa Claus, could have said 54321. Some developer must have entered 12/25/09 for whatever reason.” This displays an unfamiliarity with software applications, suggesting that a specific date is chosen as a default. That’s not going to happen with commercial software because “zero” or blank in this case depends on the O/S. In response to the Y2K issues, developers made adjustments for 16-bit operating systems which shifted the range somewhat. The industry standard is that systems begin counting seconds since the epoch. That’s defined as 1 Jan 1980 for the Windows platform and as a billion seconds before 9 September 2001 01:46:40 UT for the Unix O/S. This is no trivial matter for software developers, and most assuredly does not have an arbitrary “for whatever reason” default field date of Christmas day. Have a good day, but don’t pretend to know what you don’t please.

  29. 5WarVeteran says:

    Louise, the “second man” as well as the third and fourth who were apprehended in the forest behind as seen in the helicopter videos turned out to be “off duty” CIA spec ops types dressed out in camouflage gear.
    You know how that is, we always have Spec Ops types walking around schools and forests all the time. Nothing to consider there. . . . . . .

    Just a simple suggestion, record and copy every video of every event like this. That way when people call you a “conspiracy type” of say something intelligent like ”Oh they was just hunters.” Have them explain how “hunters” are hunting in a region near a school where hunting is not allowed. When people say “Oh, that is all made up!” You can then say, “Would you like to see the video’s of how fire engines were backed in and ambulances were blocked in, just like on a movie set?” You know be able to provide plausible deniability.
    Of course then some cocky dumbass will say something like. “Those videos could be faked!” “Yeah sure when they were recorded from the television on the day of the event, thanks for giving me credit for being a video wizard.” You know like the ones in the video “9/11 Smoke and Mirrors.” Where we see things like folded over and expanded smoke as well as a nose cone that passes through the whole building intact and then disintegrates mid air between the buildings. and then there is that moving bridge that appears MILES closer in the video than it really is. You know faked like that.

  30. M.A. says:

    Put all the emotions aside, and try to think logically and rationally.

    Follow the Money!!!
    Ask some questions!
    Why all the Secrecy?
    Why were normal and established emergency and police procedures Not followed?
    Why did the FBI Seal the investigative reports?
    Why would parents/immediate family members not be permitted to see their dead loved one, and why would the parents/immediate family members allow that?
    Why are there so many gaps in and unanswered questions in the entire Sandy Hook Story?
    Why hasn’t any of the victim’s families filed any law suits against the Sandy Hook School System or the Lanza family for what took place?

    • Louise P says:

      And what about the second gunman in camouflage clothing? What happened to him? It was reported by the news that there was a second man…then all of a sudden…nothing.

  31. Logic says:

    Most likely 12/25/2009 is when the computer’s system ran/updated the online records. Click any number of other names in that same site and many of them have a 12/25/2009 “sale” date with a $0 price. You would be hard pressed to find them ALL associated with this event. Running an update of that kind on Christmas Day is normal because actual real estate transactions are less frequent on such days and the government is closed.

    • Not you says:

      I’ve been in the IT field a looooong time. Nobody is crazy enough to run an update on Christmas day as you would have to have IT people in the office at that time assuring the updates are completed properly in case something goes wrong. It makes much more sense to do it on a Saturday or Sunday in the evening or the middle of the night. Christmas that year was on a Friday. Running an update on Christmas day is NOT normal for ANY entity whether government or business, I assure you.

      • Al says:

        Well, lots of us have been in IT for a looooong time, and your argument doesn’t hold much water either.

        I don’t think anyone actually ran updates on that day – that’s just the date some idiot picked to use as a default value for some reason. The point about Christmas Day is that it is a likely pick of someone who is just picking a value that will be used when a real value is not present. People often pick New Years Day, or December 31st, in similar scenarios.

        My interpretation is more likely than yours. Nobody came in on Christmas to run an update!

        • Aware says:

          No one “picks” a default value, whether Christmas, New Years or 11 September 2001. Bottom line is that 25 Dec 2009 was selectively entered. I’m not suggesting this was done to obfuscate an actual date, just that it’s not some software default.

  32. About everything we see in this world we constructed on this day is an evil act to further divide us. I

  33. Haley says:

    This is shameful. Young lives were lost and this is what you’re concerned about? You greedy disrespectful fools. The world is not all about money and power in the end it means nothing at all. Show a little respect for those that lost their lives. Whether you believe it’s a hoax or not people still died. Please show a little respect for those that died and their families still dealing with the loss every day.

    • 5WarVeteran says:

      With all due respect to the DEAD, they are dead and it is more important to get to the truth of the matter, because their ability to speak for themselves has been taken from them.

      What do flowers do for a dead person on their grave? Would it not be more appropriate to give flowers to the sick and dying before they are dead? Better yet help with the funeral costs.

      Remember SANDY HOOK was warned about months BEFORE the event in the BATMAN movie. Somebody back then tried to give warning. Nobody paid attention. How many times was 9/11 warned about in media? Quite a few times. NOBODY paid attention.
      Remember the man who cried about the child victims of Sandy Hook, also signed off on the drone killings of more than 300 children. Which face do you want to recognize the next time?

      Get perspective.

    • You’re disgusting and cowardly sheep . When people stop asking Questions it’s a Green Light for Gov to do what ever they want and if your so damn stupid not to Recognize unrealistic events .
      Former State Trooper Whistle Blower said ” cops can’t declare deaths ” .
      Cops were 1/4 mile away … nobody went to hospital for hour and half on top of this manufactured community w suspicious records of home sales , that is OBVIOUSLY not normal to have that many .

    • awc222 says:

      The only thing worse than a horrible answer is the question never asked. The real shame are those that show no interest with a ‘go-along’ attitude because cognitive dissonance is to great a burden to bear.

    • vince says:

      go back to sleep Haley

    • Neo Anderson says:

      Yeah …they ‘re dealing with all that money coming in from the web sites that people donate to
      …I mean the one that were up and running a few days to a month BEFORE the shooting…Had to make sure the cash was rolling in the day of the event.

    • Joe Jones says:

      NO ONE was injured or killed at Sandy Hook Elementary. Stop grieving over a LIE. The event was STAGED to help Obama try to work the public up into a gun banning frenzy. It FAILED, and anyone with a BRAIN can clearly see that it was STAGED.

    • milidude says:

      Um haley…….. if thats even your real name……..

      Where is the proof that ANYONE died in this event?, no bodies were admitted to the local hospital. no coronors report. no medical examiners finding or death certificates were issued. all relevant files concerning this false-flag event are sealed(coverup). the school was demolished under complete secrecy and without any forensics conducted concerning the “alleged” shootout.. armed guards were hired and a secrecy screen was erected during the demolition phase.

      Personally…… to many “coinkydinks” for me to call this a tragedy/except to say it is since it completely hoodwinked most people who are too lazy to do the research into this to see that it is a bona-fide false-flag event used as a political tool to further eviscerate our God given rights to defend ourselves as enumerated under the second clause of the bill of rights. proof of that is the legislation a year later to force all gun owners to register their arms with the constabulary.

      Only liars and deceivers hide evidence of their crimes because they wont hold up to the light of day or the demand of truth. stick your sanctimonious attitude up your govt paid troll ass you frikking beotch and stffu.

      • plannumber9 says:

        Exactly. There’s no aftermath of murder and mayhem. Most of all NO WOUNDED. Adam Lanza, probably Aspegers, with no military traiing, suits up and kills (not wounds) , many children in that school. And then so many discrpancies in what was described by the “witnesses.” The “bereaved” parents with their goofy smiles and casual manner. The little boy who talked about the “drill” they were having at the school before being cut off by the talk show host.
        It was pure theater. False flag all the way. Why? Something about gun control. They want guns out of the hands of those who want them for protection, or hunting or sport. And I am not a gun owner, nor do I want one. But I see the pattern. Everytime there’s a shooting spree, I know there’s a mind-conrol operation in full swing.
        Many, many people, well informed and thinking, know the same things.

    • LocalHero says:

      Sorry but your sentiment is misplaced since nobody died and nobody was injured. There were no shots fired that day. None. Zero. Zilch. That’s what happens at a drill where everyone wears lanyards around their necks and electronic signs are set up that read “Everyone Must Check In.”

    • If it was a hoax then people didn’t die. If it was a false flag event, people may have died.

      Where is the photographic or video evidence of 430 children being evacuated from SHE?

  34. rbodell says:

    you also get a zero price when the price is not reported LOL. So much for that theory.

  35. westie says:

    Sofia Smallstorm Unraveling Sandy Hook, in 4 dimensions:

    Professor’s James Tracy blog:

    Check it out….you may be surprised.

  36. I believe it was a hoax, and one should even look into weather these are Democrats or what political Party they belong too. One should investigate any job related or investment they may have in common.. But one thing for sure, women have complete make-up and prefect hair after they lost a child , convinced me this was a hoax, or more falsehood then truth… l know, l lost a child 2012 and a Husband and l still had a look of total mess, and red swollen eyes a total plain jane … for months..

  37. I would never believe that that kind of slaughter of innocents could be a false flag or hoax. I could easily believe incompetence in record keeping or some kind of property tax scam. That would be an interesting investigation.

    • 5WarVeteran says:

      I am guessing you forgot the Edward R Morrow FBI building attack blamed on Timothy Mc Veigh? Remember DOZENS of unexploded bombs of MOUSSAD manufacture were found within that building and a child’s Daycare was destroyed in that attack.
      Consider that the same man who cried at Sandy Hook also signs off on EVERY drone attack that to date has killed more than 300 “innocent children”. That is reality.
      The deaths of these children as a possible false flag are meaningless and only a tool to a political system bought and paid for by the wealthy who religious teachings believe that goyim are less than animals. Unless you are also of this belief, you too are one of the expendable.
      We piss and moan about Muslims and yet the root of their activity comes from the people who actually wrote the religious history from which the concept of Jihad (religious war and murder) originated.

      Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Non-Jews are Not Human. Only Jews are human (“Only ye are designated men”). Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, “Oil of Anointing” and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals (“she-asses”).

      Sanhedrin 58b: Jews are Divine. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, THE GENTILE MUST BE KILLED. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

      Baba Kamma 113a: Jews May Lie to Non-Jews . JEWS MAY USE LIES (“subterfuges”) TO CIRCUMVENT A GENTILE.

      Yebamoth 98a: Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human. All Gentile children are animals.

      Soncino Edition of the Talmud.

      For murder, whether of a Gentile by a Gentile, or of an Israelite by a Gential, punishment is incurred; but of a Gentile by an Israelite, there is no death penalty. (Sanhedrin 57a)

      • Sammy says:

        “Remember DOZENS of unexploded bombs of MOUSSAD manufacture were found within that building” Really ? Provide credible reference URLs

        • 5WarVeteran says:

 Item #3

 Item #5

          “TV news footage showed Oklahoma County Sheriff’s Department bomb squad vehicles being brought to the scene within a half-hour of the explosion, “amid reports” that “more bombs have been found” by rescuers. ”

          OK how is that? The last contains copies of the actual affidavits by witnesses.

          • Sammy says:

            I said credible sources. But I’m willing to accept any entity that would be worried about their rep,or libel/slander suits. Blogs would be ok as long as they point back to the original sources in such a way that one can be determine that the evidence has not been tampered with nor cherry picked nor taken out of context. Originals sources that ‘have some skin in the games’ wrt to legal or $$$ consequences.

          • 5WarVeteran says:

            You do know you are responsible for digging and answering your own questions. I have been at this internet business for decades doing research full time since 1996. I worked as part of the military in the DARPA project in the early 80s and developed technology with Crosley Corporation in the mid to late 70s. Back when 60 baud was considered “fast”. ECM and ECCM activities were quite interesting back then.

            You mention “credible sources” you do realize that any “source” that does not tow the government line is automatically labeled as “not credible”. What is the point? Simply recognize who owns the media organizations, also control the public mind for a very clear agenda.

            If you want real truth, unbiased truth then YOU have to dig deeper and follow the rabbit wherever it goes.

            If I could afford a “think tank” and an experienced research staff do you thing I would be posting here? Would you?

          • Sammy says:

            Since it’s ‘wine appreciation day’ and time is running out in addition to the advice from JC
            “JC says:
            Have a drink. You’ll feel better.”

            I ask only one question : the AF general sent his affidavit to Sen Trent Lott Now Lott is definitely not a darling of the MSM . So what was Lotts response to this ‘evidence’ ?

            Well off to open a bottle of wine

      • Dan says:

        Right buddy. The jews are making the muslims suicide bomb buses and marketplaces. The jews are making the muslims hang 7yo boys and behead people on video. You just solved the mystery. Congratulations!!! You should get a Nobel Prize for that or something.

        • 5WarVeteran says:

          Did I say any of that? No you assumed that. I have not given Muslims any credit here but I have followed the money and I have the proof. It is all out there and easily researched. But just for you I will provide this gift below.

          Now you have been given the research, you have to check it out and prove me wrong. Can you actually do that?

          The Talmud is Judaism’s holiest book. Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. The Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus’ time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it the Scribes and Pharisees. The following study is based on the Jewish-authorized, English translation of the Babylonian Talmud: the Soncino edition.
          Every selection we cite is documented directly from the text of the authoritative Soncino Talmud. We have published herein the authenticated sayings of the Jewish Talmud. Look them up for yourself. To verify the Talmud passages cited, refer to the Soncino edition Talmud, which may be found in large university and seminary libraries.

          The Soncino Talmud may also be purchased from book dealers.
          The implementation of Talmudic philosophy has caused untold suffering throughout history and now in occupied Palestine it is used as a justification for the mass murder and current enslavement of Palestinian civilians.

          1. Erubin 21b: Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
          2. Moed Kattan 17a : If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
          3. Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Non-Jews are Not Human. Only Jews are human (“Only ye are designated men”). Also see Kerithoth 6b under the sub-head, “Oil of Anointing” and Berakoth 58a in which Gentile women are designated animals (“she-asses”).
          4. Sanhedrin 58b: Jews are Divine. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, THE GENTILE MUST BE KILLED. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.
          5. Sanhedrin 57a: O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews. A Jew need not pay a Christian (“Cuthean”) the wages owed him for work.
          6. Baba Kamma 37b: Jews Have Superior Legal Status. “If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite…the payment is to be in full.”
          7. Baba Mezia 24a: Jews May Steal from Non-Jews. If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile (“heathen”) it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).
          8. Sanhedrin 76a: God will not spare a Jew who “marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean…”
          9. Sanhedrin 57a: JEWS MAY ROB AND KILL NON-JEWS. When a Jew murders a Christian (“Cuthean”), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.
          10. Baba Kamma 37b: Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has “exposed their money to Israel.”
          11. Baba Kamma 113a: Jews May Lie to Non-Jews . JEWS MAY USE LIES (“subterfuges”) TO CIRCUMVENT A GENTILE.
          12. Yebamoth 98a: Non-Jewish Children Sub-Human. All Gentile children are animals.
          13. Abodah Zarah 36b: Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
          14. Abodah Zarah 22a-22b: Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
          15. Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus’ mother was a whore: “She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters.” Also in Shabbath 104b it is stated in the “uncensored” text of the Talmud that Jesus’ mother, “Miriam the hairdresser,” had sex with many men.
          16. Sanhedrin 106 gloats over the early age at which Jesus died: “Hast thou heard how old Balaam (Jesus) was? He replied: It is not actually stated but since it is written, Bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old.”
          17. Sanhedrin 43a Jesus (“Yeshu” the Nazarene”) was executed because he practiced sorcery.
          18. Gittin 57a . Says Jesus is being boiled in “hot excrement”.
          19. Sanhedrin 43a . Jesus deserved execution: “On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu was hanged…Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?”
          20. Rosh Hashanah 17a . Christians (“minim”) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.
          21. Shabbath 116a (p. 569). Jews must destroy the books of the Christians. Israel Shahak reports that the Zionists burned hundreds of New Testament books in Occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).
          22. Gittin 69a . To heal his flesh a Jew should take dust that lies within the shadow of an outdoor toilet, mix it with honey and eat it.
          23. Shabbath 41a. The law regulating the rule for how to urinate in a holy way is given.
          24. Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.
          25. Sanhedrin 55b . A Jew may marry a three year old girl. (specifically, three years “and a day” old).
          26. Sanhedrin 54b . A Jew may have sex with a child as long as that child is over nine years old.
          27. Kethuboth 11b . When a older man has intercourse with a girl it is nothing because her virginity will grow back.
          28. Yebamoth 59b . A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.
          29. Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.
          30. Hagigah 27a . States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.
          31. Gittin 70a . The Rabbis taught: “On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic.”
          32. Gittin 69b (p. 329). To heal the disease of pleurisy (“catarrh”) a Jew should “take the excrement of a white dog and knead it with balsam, but if he can possibly avoid it he should not eat the dogs excrement as it loosens the limbs.”
          33. Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.
          34. Menahoth 43b-44a . A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a Gentile, a woman or a slave.
          35. Shabbath 86a-86b . Because Jews are holy they do not have sex during the day unless the house can be made dark. A Jewish scholar can have sex during the day if he uses his garment like a tent to make it dark.
          36. Gittin 57b . Claims that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans. (Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the entire world at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four billion Jews).
          37. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog (“Even the best of the Gentiles should all be killed”). This passage is not from the Soncino edition but is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, “Gentile,” (p. 617).
          38. On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Jew from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Rabbi Kahane who has stated that his view of Arabs as “dogs” is “from the Talmud.” (Cf. CBS “60 Minutes”, “Kahane”).
          39. Univ. of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldsteins philosophy: “They believe it’s God’s will that they commit violence against “goyim,” a Hebrew term for non-Jews.” (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).
          40. Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, “We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing.” (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5).
          41. Rabbi Yaacov Perrin says, “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).

          • You are another CIA piece of dung meant to make “conspiracy theorists” look like neo-Nazi cretins.

          • 5warveteran says:

            Wow Smedly you got all that from one post? I am impressed, that you are capable of using a computer. You call me “CIA” I call you a stupid idiot. Why? Because you did not follow nor check out MY research. What is posted above is fact not conspiracy, however it does prove that there is no conspiracy because facts prove or disprove conspiracies. The info above comes straight from the Talmud and prove that it is not a conspiracy but a religious doctrine.
            just as the concept of killing all Goyim/Infidels/Heathens come from the roots of this single religion of the “Chosen Ones”.


            From the horses mouths.

            CIA? You are clueless, but I am trying my best to educate you.

        • awc222 says:

          Strawman replies never win arguments.

    • vince says:

      Our govt has been killing us for its own ends since day one!

      • If your research is so sloppy that you can’t even get the name of the building right why should I believe anything you post? It was the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. Edward R Morrow was a reporter and news broadcaster and would have been infuriated by your silly post.

        • 5WarVeteran says:

          Nice Julie! It is wonderful to see someone actually checking it out and paying attention! You passed! You also get the point!

          So you are also old enough to remember Edward R Morrow who died in 1965. Bless us old folks.

          I am sure Vince is not bothered at all. As I am sure Edward R Morrow is not bothered as well. So my research is sloppy? I have been at this for decades, HOW MUCH HAVE YOU PROVIDED?

          OK I made A mistake. I am glad you were there to set me straight. I will blame my advanced age and weak memory. I am glad I am not alone. Please keep check on me so I know at least one person is actually checking things out.

          Of course the name did not in any way discount the facts behind the information now did it. The bombs were found, it did happen and children were hurt. If all those bombs had gone off we would have witnessed even more devastation and death. I am grateful they did not but that does not in any way lessen the fact that a False Flag took place in order for the Federal Government to push even more restrictions on our basic freedoms. That they were also willing to sacrifice FBI agents and personnel to do so. Just like in the Reichstag fire Hitlers minions caused.

          Alfred P. Murrah, 9/11 and the many WTC buildings, Sandy Hook, Aurora Theater and others. How many more are necessary to accept the facts?

          • Sammy says:

            Still waiting for any ‘facts’ In addition :

            “That they were also willing to sacrifice FBI agents and personnel to do so. ”

            So the FBI and others that were supposedly complicit in these events 9/11 … Aurora… Etc are clueless?
            Weren’t they afraid that they would be eliminated to keep the events secret for all time ?

  38. Myself says:

    If it was simply a new database issue, there was previous info available that could have been inputed. Could just be laziness. As was mentioned, you would need to compare the entire area to track a true trend.

  39. 5WarVeteran says:

    Perhaps a check of the complete town would have been in order to see how many others had similar results? Showing a non bias.

  40. Jeff says:

    Spokeo isn’t very accurate when it comes to its information on relationship status.

    I too have a subscription and have looked up my name out of curiosity.

    That being said, I’m convinced Sandy Hook was a total hoax.

  41. Louise P says:

    I read that the whole town were devil worshipers….who knows!

    • Scott says:

      REALLY LOUISE? That is your educated adult input on this matter? INCREDIBLE!

      • gman23 says:

        REALLY SCOTT? That is all you can come up with on this matter? TRULY INCREDIBLE!

      • Louise P says:

        Read the statement again Scott. I never said it was true. I said I read it somewhere. And I said WHO knows. Do you?
        Or are you as soul-less as most Progressives?

    • IAMME says:

      I read that the whole town went to Disneyland,Who knows!

      • Not you says:

        I heard they all farted the day before the event, I bet that did it!

        But seriously, Sandy Hook is a fraud just like The Gulf of Tonkin incident, TWA flight 800, 9/11, etc. If you trust your government, you are a fool.

        • milidude says:

          Famous last words- Hi…..we are here from the govt …..we are here to “help” you…………. no help comes from ANY govt agency.
          if you are foolish enough to call 9-1-1 now for help, you have a very high chance of being murdered by the responding leos.

          fyi- i was a first responder to the west fertilizer explosion last year. want to hear some more false-flag facts?……. the company was closed that day(wed) the fbi and atf were lodged in local hotels the day before the “event’ occurred. when we were doing recovery work, we were kept from the instant center of the detonation by fbi/atf. no reason given. except for them to cover up the evidence of their crimes. i can go on with other details……but the very fact that fbi/atf were in that town the day before stinks to high heaven to me as premeditation of a false-flag event. if anyone wants to contest these facts with me, i suggest you take a crash course on govt’s committing false-flags to promote a political agenda, such as what occurred with the gulf of tonken event.

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